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Dreadnaught CGN by PaintFan08 Dreadnaught CGN by PaintFan08
NOTE: I did not draw this awesome Kirov outline. I used the model from Shipbucket which was made by Gollevainen.

Shipbucket is a great online resource for ships of a bunch of eras and nations. I modified it to fit what I thought the Dreadnaught should look like.

Dreadnaught Battlecruiser

Crew: 700

Country: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics/Russian Republic

Builder: Baltic and Leningrad Shipyards

Armament: 11x SS-N-19 (or Land Attack Cruise Missiles)
2x RBU-12000 ASW Rockets
1x AK-130 130mm Cannon
10x 533mm ASW Torpedo Tubes
8x AK-630 30mm CIWS

Air Complement: 2x Helicopters

Through the 1960s the Soviet Navy grew by leaps and bounds. Hulls were being laid down and ships produced at a fearsome rate. In a decade the USSR was in procession of a new modern surface force. “The flag of the Soviet Navy now proudly flies over the oceans of the world. Sooner or later the Americans, Europeans, and Japanese will have to understand that they no longer have sole mastery of the seas” Admiral Sergey Gorshkov told a graduating class from the Soviet naval academy in 1966. In addition to their new fleet the Soviets found allies in the developing world, the World Socialist Alliance. New ports of call and bases to resupply from were established in Iraq, Libya, Algeria, Cuba and other Third World nations.

During this expansion however a fearsome debate raged in the Soviet Naval service as to what the core of their new fleet should be, missile armed cruisers/destroyers or aircraft carriers? This issue divided the Russian naval staff and officers into camps. Many of the younger officers and admirals were advocates of carriers, with older officers having more faith (even with the evidence of Allied carrier operations in World War II) in traditional ships. Admiral Gorshkov, the CINC of the Soviet Navy was an abstract being from the older generation and supporting the carrier argument.

However politics inside both the Navy and the CPSU itself prolonged the debate. General Secretary Romanov was convinced that new technology in naval warfare would eliminate the aircraft carrier as it had eliminated the battleship. He was captivated by the idea of guided missile ships striking at targets from hundreds of kilometers away. While Gorshkov too supported the development of missiles (especially for his older Tu-16 Badger and new Tu-26M Kirov Bombers) he recognized the power carriers brought to a surface force. Eventually the Admiral was able to convince the General Secretary and Politburo to develop carriers but first under the guise of anti-submarine warfare with the small Moskva Helicopter Cruiser. In the late 60s the first of the Kiev class mini carriers were laid down with seven being completed before the Third World War. The main strength of the Soviet Fleet would be missile armed cruisers and destroyers.

The most powerful of these was the Dreadnaught Battlecruiser. Larger than the Slava and Kara cruisers its size was closer to that of a World War I battleship. Each Dreadnaught was powered by a nuclear reactor giving it extensive range and no need to refuel for over twenty years. To protect these powerful warships multiple Vulcan style guns were placed over it for point defense. Eventually short-range SAMs were added as well. The main weapon system of the Dreadnaught was its eleven missile tubes. For naval warfare these tubes are loaded with SS-N-19 SSMs. Having a huge range and powerful warheads these missiles were built by Soviet engineers to devastate American carriers. After a short conversion process they could also fire land attack cruise missiles.

In the development of their anti-carrier tactics the Soviets knew that it was best to destroy them before their air wings could be launched. As a result the Russians created a combined arms strategy. Using sub-surface, surface, and air assets the Soviets would spam American and Allied carrier groups with missiles. Even the new American ‘Aegis’ cruisers coming onto the line in 1970 would be overwhelmed by the sheer number of weapons. Extensive war-games practiced and refined these tactics over the years leading to the war.

The best example of Soviet anti-carrier operations occurred north of Cuba on the first day of war. A Soviet surface group (KUG) of Dreadnaughts, Karas, Slavas, destroyers and submarines closed with the carriers Douglas MacArthur and Midway plus their escorting ships. The American carrier task group was tracked by a Tu-95D Bear. It coordinated the approach of over five submarines and three regiments of Tu-26 Kirovs from Cuba escorted by MiG-25s. Firing their missiles from maximum range, the Kirovs pulled away before the F-14s could break away from the dogfight with the MiG-25s. The AS-4 missiles were guided to the target by the radar of the KUG, who launched a coordinated missile strike with two Echo submarines.

Only a single Aegis Cruiser was with the task group. Bunker Hill quickly exhausted its supply of Standard SAM missiles. These combined with fire from the other escorting ships destroyed many of the Soviet missiles. CIWS also cut down more along with electronic warfare methods. However over twenty missiles made it past the defenses. MacArthur was set ablaze from stem to stern, the Midway heavily damaged. Seven other cruisers, destroyers, and frigates were lost. The Soviet submarines closed and sank another four ships including the damaged Midway.

Many of the USN aircraft managed to get airborne before the missile assault. These however where hastily loaded with some not sporting anything but their cannons. Despite the lack of weapons the naval airmen proved deadly opponents. Soviet losses were moderate (a damaged Dreadnaught, two cruisers were sunk, and three destroyers (two sunk by American submarines). Other Soviet attacks on D-Day against USN carriers in the Pacific and Mediterranean were not as effective, not sinking any but damaging two (the Carl Vision heavily). Dreadnaughts helped the Soviets isolate the United States by sea. They could deliver more firepower than similar US ships and were capable of shore bombardment with land attack missiles. However the Soviet’s lack of carrier based naval aviation would prove a factor in the defeat of the Dreadnaughts.

As the US Navy regrouped, its carrier battlegroups were able to strike at long range against Soviet KUGs. The few Kiev class carriers couldn’t provide adequate air cover. The Yak-38 VTOL planes it carried were outmatched by American Tomcats and Hornets. Once their air defenses were suppressed the big Dreadnaughts were just as vulnerable to Harpoon armed US planes as USN ships were to Kirov bombers. The last great Soviet surface action of the war occurred during the failed Battle of Hawaii.

The bulk of the Soviet Pacific Fleet engaged the US Seventh Fleet around the Hawaiian Islands. A strategic decision to isolate and harass Pearl Harbor made earlier in the war proved to be a mistake. While surface ships did not operate far from the Hawaii islands out of fear of Soviet air attack (from Far Eastern and Mexican based SNA assests), submarines deployed out from Hawaii and went after Soviet Pacific Fleet (SPF) units. To end this threat to Soviet SLOCs in the Pacific, Moscow ordered Pearl Harbor be taken. Amphibious assets were rounded up and the SPF assembled.

However the USN was eager for a chance to go after the SPF and the build up for the operation was impossible to hide. Three carriers and their escorts challenged the SPF with CONUS based B-52s armed with Harpoons. Forced to operate at their maximum ranges the Kirov and Badger bombers were unable to play the deadly role that they had earlier in the war. Many were shot down by Tomcats and Hornets, due to the lack of long range fighter escorts for the Tu-26s and Tu-16s. The Soviet KUGs came under bomber attack themselves. Combined B-52 and USN aircraft attack withered down the Soviet ships including the mighty Dreadnaughts. Nearly two thirds of the SPF was lost to the USN’s fighters, bombers, and submarines.

After the Battle of Hawaii, Soviet naval power was never the same. The declaration of war against the USSR by the European Alliance saw the Soviet Northern Fleet devastated by Allied naval actions in the North Atlantic, Caribbean, and Norwegian Sea. Only a handful of Dreadnaughts survived the war. All are in the hands of the Russian Republic’s Navy. Allied intelligence believes only three of the ships are in any sort of operational status, the others requiring heavy maintenance before they can put to sea.

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Once again this Red Alert 2 Soviet vessel is based on a real ship the Kirov Battlecruiser. I have used the base picture of a Kirov from Shipbucket and added the missile launch tubes to the front of the ship. The real Kirov has VLS tubes in its forward section. I created the fake history here.

Thanks in advance for any comments!
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TheElevatedDeviant Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
*Humming Soviet March*
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Hunter2045 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2013
Nice.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2013
Thx!
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Dragonpops Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2013
I don't know if someone from the 'bucket has alreadly contacted you about this, but heck...
If you use Shipbucket material, you MUST credit properly. For more details, I refer to this page:
shipbucket.com/standards.php
I am myself no specialist on soviet vessels, but why would the Soviets/Russians name a ship "Dreadnought"? Would the name not be in Russian?
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2013
As I have said.....MANY TIMES.....I said I got the base from Shipbucket. Not ONE FRIGING PERSON has told me who did the picture of the Kirov. PLEASE TELL ME I WILL ADD IT INTO THE DESCRIPTION!

Sorry if I sound whinny on this but I have made this request a lot to people who bring this up. Let me know who made the Kirov pic and I will credit them. 
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Dragonpops Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013
Sorry if I sounded harsh. It's just that SB is very strict on these matters, and the forum generally expects that you yourself do the proper research when it comes to the Fair Use Agreement.
Here's the original picture. Look under the ship title and you see the name of the person who did it. In this case it's Gollevainen. And this is something featured on ALL shipbucket images, making it very easy for everyone who uses the image to know which artist made it.
shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=…
Now, to be correct, your image should be placed in the SB standard template, given the proper titling and crediting, so on and so forth. To make it simple for yourself, simply use the Kirov picture I linked, edit in your ship instead of the Kirov, and change the name of the class. Add your nametag after Gollevainen's, and you're set. As long as you do this, SB-people will rarely complain on your usage of SB material.

PS. I know you've mentioned SB in the description and given credit there, and I'm not trying to down-value that. I think it's great that you're honest with it, but formally credit must be given in the picture.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013
I've mentioned his name now in the text description. When I get a chance I'll throw it into the picture image as well.

Apologize if I came off harsh as well. I seriously don't mind crediting the orignal artist, it was just people would complain about it and I would respond, tell me who drew it. They never did. So I got tired of people complaining about it without offering any help. So thanks for the information, I do intend to add the name in the future.

To answer an earlier question, the Dreadnaught name came from Red Alert 2 the game. That was the ship class name.
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Carrier2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
You could upgrade the number of large missile tubes to 16 by mounting them in 8 pairs, 4 pairs on the port side and 4 pairs on the starboard side.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013
Indeed you could.
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Carrier2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
How many were built?
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013
I'd say probably 30 to 50. Its a heavy hitting fleet unit but its unrealistic to believe they would make every cruiser a Dreadnaught class. Real Navies don't usually work that way. So I'd say 30-50 with just about all of them deployed in the Northern and Pacific Fleets. Just a few would end up in Black Seas Fleet or Baltic Fleet.
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Phillipzu Featured By Owner May 27, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Ah! Impressive! :)
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner May 30, 2013
Thanks, original art from Shipbucket.net, just modified it with the forward missile launchers from another ship. Its pretty much a kitbash.
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Phillipzu Featured By Owner May 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Oh! Can you link me to the hull?
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
Its just the Kirov on Shipbucket, check out their real ships list find Russian ships and look for Kirov
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Phillipzu Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I can see that it's the Kirov's hull! It had a unique front!
Great idea with a Nuclear-Powered destroyer, right? :)
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
In real life Kirovs are cruisers basically sometimes called battlecruisers for their size. Can't recall if the Soviets built any nuclear powered destroyers, the U.S. did it with cruisers but destroyers that I recall.
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Phillipzu Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Oh yeah, that's true! :XD:

Well it is powered by two oil boilers, and two KN-3 Nuclear Reactors! :D
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rkraptor70 Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist
Also, the Aegis system is know to overload when faced against an overwhelming amount of missiles. Read this: [link]
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rkraptor70 Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist
One thing I have to object in your lore is the fact CIWS and ECM would be almost completely ineffective against the P-700 Granit. It it's top-down attack mode, it can reach speed up to mach 5 which makes it almost impossible to intercept. And when fired in when fired in a swarm (group of 4-8) the missiles networks their guidance system which make them very difficult to jam .
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678091 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This ship bring a whole new meaning in you're gonna get fucked
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Wisky-08 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
Nice design. :)
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The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This actually resembles the real-life Slava class a bit more, in my opinion. The hull shape is most definitely Kirov class, though. Very nice.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
Thanks I couldn't find a Slava in Shipbucket IIRC. Glad you like it.
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terranop Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2012
I am speechless of just how awesome your version of the Dreadnaught Battlecruiser is... the ship is a 100x better in terms of design than the ones in the game with those silly, oversized missiles(I even nicknamed them Dildos). Honestly, I think you are the Christopher Nolan of the Red Alert universe.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2012
Thanks for the praise, as always I must mention that most of that Kirov base is from Shipbucket, which has lots of completed ship designs. I simply did some moding.
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chankljp Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
This is really well done and like the amount of detail that you have put into it. Thank you very much posting this here!
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
To be fair, the image is stock from Shipbucket, I just messed around with their pieces. So I did not draw the ship but more cut and pasted it together.
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Triumviratus Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
This is a former Kirov class. Now known as the Petr Velikyi or Peter the Great. A relic.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2011
Yep used a pre-made Kirov class for the base. The addition of the missile tubes turns it into the Soviet Dreadnaught of the PC game Red Alert.
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Tank50us Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
looks like what happens when a Slava Class Cruiser and Kirov Class Battlecruiser have unprotected sex, pretty interesting concept though
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
Soviet love child LOL

Thanks for the comment sir
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Tank50us Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
well, I'm trying to cook up a modern, Russian designed Battleship for a game I'm designing. In my head it shares some features with the Kirov (nuclear reactor, super structure, SS-N-19 missile compliment), but has 10 16.5inch guns (vs the Iowas 9 16inch guns), and 8 AK130 turrets (4 on each side). If you want to take a crack at designing it, go ahead, I'll model it first chance I get.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
If its a modern ship no need for 16 inch guns. They only thing they're good for is shore bombardment which can be done with smaller more actuate guns. Of course its you ship so go with what you feel like.
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Tank50us Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
to correct myself, the Jersey was sent to assist UN/US Forces during the Lebanese Civil War, taking out AA Batteries, command facilities, and even killing a Syrian general in charge of running local Syrian forces. she fired well over 300 shells during her time on station.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
Like I said up to, I disagree with some of your conclusions but if you want them go for it.
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Tank50us Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
in the back story it was designed specifically to counter the American Iowa Class (which was being expanded to 8 ships, and being upgraded with new guns and interior systems). Also, it known that even in a modern fight, a ship with a gun AND missiles can take on, and defeat a purely missile armed ship. Granted, it was the US Navy and Airforce that learned the lesson with the F-4 Phantom being pitted against the Mig-21 which had a gun for when it's missiles failed. The F-4 lacked a gun, and when out of missiles (either due to missing, or malfunctions), it had to RTB, where the Mig was still in the fight.

In a modern naval engagement, a ship with mostly missiles as an armament, could potentially suffer the same situation. Modern Anti-ship missiles can still be shot down, suffer mechanical problems, be spoofed by ECM, crash into the water (if it's a sea-skimmer in rough seas), or even fail to launch. Which part of the reason for the large number of Shipwrecks (compared to other ships) the Kirov carries, it will launch several at a single target in the hopes that at least one hits, which would still be pretty devastating... if the warhead goes off. (not knocking Russian tech here, since American/NATO AShMs are prone to the same potential problems).

In the story, an Iowa (The USS New Jersey to be exact), and her battle-group engaged a larger Russian battle-group with two Kirovs at the lead, when the multi-million-dollar game of Missile Command was over, neither side had scored a single hit on the other (although that's not to say that some missiles didn't get close, one Shipwreck came within 5ft of hitting the Jerseys bridge, but missed and was shot down by one of the escorts). The American BG then steamed in, and cut down the Russian BG at close range with the Jerseys 16inch guns.

Besides, even though big guns are typically only good for shore bombardment, how many soldiers are going to stand by the shore line when the other guy is shooting a shell that can make a crater the size of medium (average American sized) house... and flip a 50+ ton tank on it's back. The Libiyans found this out first hand after Ronald Reagen had enough of their shit and parked the Jersey off their shore for a week... shelling military targets of opportunity and with total impunity... we haven't heard a peep out of them since! (IE them trying to 'extend' their claim of the Mediterranean well into known international waters)
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HeilEris Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
superb!
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
Thanks!
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th3-y0ung-0n3s Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
wow, that is nice. i was about to say that that looks like a kirov, but i read the notes under the picture.
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
Thanks a lot. I thought it was only fitting that the Soviets real-life battlecruiser be the base for the most powerful ship in RA2.
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setsugen Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2010
dude thats awesome
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2010
Thanks, again most of the ship is from Ship Bucket.
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setsugen Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
its still kickass
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2010
Thanks you!
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setsugen Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
youre welcome :icongreatjobplz:
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Petros2523 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2010
Vey nice, I'd been waiting for the dreadnought. It's one of my favourite units from RA2. :D Are we going to see the Allied carriers next?
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2010
Uhh not really sir. For one I'd just imagine the Allied carriers to look like modern carriers. However maybe I could do a Japanese carrier for my version of RA3.

Thanks for comments!
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Petros2523 Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2010
A Japanes RA3 carrier would be interesting. If you did the Shogun Battleship, would you keep the energy cannons, or would you make it look more like a modern Yamato-class. Either way, I look forward to more. :D
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PaintFan08 Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2010
There's an idea, but no energy cannons. A knock of prism tech PDF probably but no main DEWs.

Thanks!
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